Null


oldmxdog61u

  • Karma: +0/-0
Biesmeyer 21 ft. cruiser a good first timer Jet Boat?
« on: June 10, 2010, 03:33:00 PM »
Hi-
newbie here. Great forum by the way. I have been looking for something like this site when I started thinking I might buy another boat "someday".. But I digress..
I have a chance to trade out a vintage race bike for a Biesmeyer 21 ft. cruiser  with a zero hour , blueprinted 455 olds, w/berkeley pump  AA impeller, nice clean Tandem axle trailer, new Bimini Top and mooring cover.  My question is- is this a good first jet boat? Its been years since I had a boat (the 70's to be exact) and my wifey is saying it looks like fun. Especially when I see your website and the get togethers you all have.  If the deal is done, I plan to use it for the several local lakes (Roosevelt, Canyon mainly) and hope to make the river and powell some day. Its just my wife and I (and our rottie Loretta) so space isnt that big a deal, but it looks like it has lotsa room anyways. 

Any thoughts on is this a good fit? The guy is second owner, best friend owned it prior for 17 years) the guy takes good care of his stuff.  Being an old prop guy (at best) what should I be asking? what should I be looking for? The dang thing looks clean as a whistle to me. My plan is to get a test ride and look for leaks of anykind a generate a list of gotchas (like the missing pitot tube for the speedo).
Thanks for the help!
  • Like
    Dislike
    Love
    HaHa
    Angry
    Surprise
    Sad
    Party
Any man whose errors take ten years to correct is quite a man.
J. Robert Oppenheimer

IRRebel

  • Karma: +16/-0
Re: Biesmeyer 21 ft. cruiser a good first timer Jet Boat?
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2010, 04:39:40 PM »
Can I go on the test ride also?  :thumbup:  No, My lil brother will stay home.........

I loved my Biesemeyer 21'. Solidly built, Roomy, plenty of seating. Was easy to drive and chop/wakes didn't affect it at all! Had actually bought it's replacement, same 21' Biesemeyer, but had it sold before I got it home. Didn't find another, so in true SCJB form, I buy a 26' "SS Minnow"........ :screwy:

Post some pics up, but I think I know which one you're buying, I've been posting that around here a bit.  ;)

You'll love that Bieser! But particular to them, check for soft spots on the floor, particularly near the rear jump seats. 2 Biesers and one Sleek I looked at last summer had cracks clear through the hull right about midship along the inner strakes. just something to look at/for while it's on the trailer. You're fairly local, I found OC2's engine in your hood actually, I don't mind looking at it with you.

Ray
  • Like
    Dislike
    Love
    HaHa
    Angry
    Surprise
    Sad
    Party
"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways totally worn out shouting 'Holy Shit what a ride!"---Crewcheif22 AKA Keith

oldmxdog61u

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Biesmeyer 21 ft. cruiser a good first timer Jet Boat?
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2010, 09:41:32 AM »
wow, thanks! I sure could use some more experienced help checking her out. I know bikes pretty much, but jet boats zero experience (outside of throwing up over the transom of a few in high school at saguaro lake).   I plan to go saturday around noon and the current owner is willing to go to take a run on it (pleasant) and show me how everything works.  The one I am looking at is on craigslist, all white hull, listed at $3900. Is the the one you know about? or is there a better deal out there for this hull/motor? The Beismeyer cruiser appeals to me as a good hull for what I want to do and the cariety of consitions I may encounter crusiing. Current owner says trimmed she will g0 60+.  Without GPS who knows, I just want the ride.
Let me know how to get in touch, and thanks!
  • Like
    Dislike
    Love
    HaHa
    Angry
    Surprise
    Sad
    Party
Any man whose errors take ten years to correct is quite a man.
J. Robert Oppenheimer

IRRebel

  • Karma: +16/-0
Re: Biesmeyer 21 ft. cruiser a good first timer Jet Boat?
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2010, 10:09:10 AM »
Yeah, thats the one! There was another one also, with blue and woodgrain on it. 60 is very possible if the equipment he has on it is accurate..

Can't do Saturday, but before you go, crawl under it and look for cracks on the inner side of the strakes, then jump up and down on the floors, particularly in the back. If that checks out, take it to UnPleasant and drive it like you stole it...... >:D

Oh, and take pictures! Even if some of this doesn't pan out, the boat is probably still worth the money.

Ray
  • Like
    Dislike
    Love
    HaHa
    Angry
    Surprise
    Sad
    Party
"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways totally worn out shouting 'Holy Shit what a ride!"---Crewcheif22 AKA Keith

GlassCutter

  • Karma: +31/-0
Re: Biesmeyer 21 ft. cruiser a good first timer Jet Boat?
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2010, 10:20:09 AM »
Screw that !     Let's see pictures of the bike  ;D    There will always be another boat to buy.
  • Boat #1: 1973  Wriedt Montara 23
  • Boat #2: 1978 Spectra 20 460/Berkley
  • Like
    Dislike
    Love
    HaHa
    Angry
    Surprise
    Sad
    Party
Also, I will kiss bare male ass in the middle of the Vegas Strip  . . .  I will post pics if I need to.  --  IRRebel 2013

"Go ahead Rivertard does it.  Take a video though."

"If you did it in a dodge it would have shifted perfectly ran a thousand miles per hour and got optimum fuel mileage!"  Nordie  2012

oldmxdog61u

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Biesmeyer 21 ft. cruiser a good first timer Jet Boat?
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2010, 10:37:05 AM »
sure, how do I post em? I can shoot a few, like 1980 MAico 440 and 490 (Magoo replica), the 86 cr250, or my current squeeze a 1980 yz125.
I may even have pics of my 1974cz400, but thhose are hard to look at as I still miss that tractor...
  • Like
    Dislike
    Love
    HaHa
    Angry
    Surprise
    Sad
    Party
Any man whose errors take ten years to correct is quite a man.
J. Robert Oppenheimer

GlassCutter

  • Karma: +31/-0
Re: Biesmeyer 21 ft. cruiser a good first timer Jet Boat?
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2010, 11:19:26 AM »
I may even have pics of my 1974cz400, but thhose are hard to look at as I still miss that tractor...

Now why would you do a dumb thing like that?  ;D
http://www.socaljetboats.com/the-no-wake-zone/how-i-spent-my-weekend/msg128434/#msg128434
  • Boat #1: 1973  Wriedt Montara 23
  • Boat #2: 1978 Spectra 20 460/Berkley
  • Like
    Dislike
    Love
    HaHa
    Angry
    Surprise
    Sad
    Party
Also, I will kiss bare male ass in the middle of the Vegas Strip  . . .  I will post pics if I need to.  --  IRRebel 2013

"Go ahead Rivertard does it.  Take a video though."

"If you did it in a dodge it would have shifted perfectly ran a thousand miles per hour and got optimum fuel mileage!"  Nordie  2012

oldmxdog61u

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Biesmeyer 21 ft. cruiser a good first timer Jet Boat?
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2010, 11:30:33 AM »
Well, I got a good price for it and was able to put that back into my two 1980 maicos (one 450, one with the 490) which I was racing at the time.  Plus, my lower back was not taking the pounding of that whopping 4-5 inches of travel like it used to. As it turned out, about two seasons later I pounded my back one too many times and was out for 18 months with sciatica from hell.
Went thru rehab three times and finally got back to racing, but thats another story. How do I post pictures here? I have them on my desktop here at work, but cannot find the magic key to post.
ps- nice thread over there.

meanwhile, check this out...
« Last Edit: June 11, 2010, 11:33:14 AM by oldmxdog61u »
  • Like
    Dislike
    Love
    HaHa
    Angry
    Surprise
    Sad
    Party
Any man whose errors take ten years to correct is quite a man.
J. Robert Oppenheimer

OC2Vegas

  • Karma: +12/-0
  • Like
    Dislike
    Love
    HaHa
    Angry
    Surprise
    Sad
    Party
1979 Sanger Superjet
BBC, 12JG

oldmxdog61u

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Biesmeyer 21 ft. cruiser a good first timer Jet Boat?
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2010, 12:01:04 PM »
1975 was a fun year... as is my current squeeze (1979 yz250)
  • Like
    Dislike
    Love
    HaHa
    Angry
    Surprise
    Sad
    Party
Any man whose errors take ten years to correct is quite a man.
J. Robert Oppenheimer

oldmxdog61u

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Biesmeyer 21 ft. cruiser a good first timer Jet Boat?
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2010, 12:03:35 PM »
my 1980 yz125 still rips....
  • Like
    Dislike
    Love
    HaHa
    Angry
    Surprise
    Sad
    Party
Any man whose errors take ten years to correct is quite a man.
J. Robert Oppenheimer

GlassCutter

  • Karma: +31/-0
Re: Biesmeyer 21 ft. cruiser a good first timer Jet Boat?
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2010, 01:24:08 PM »
PM sent cuz the guys aren't quite ready for SoCalVintageOldBikes&Shit.com just yet.  ;D

So who wants to talk Beezers  .  .  .
  • Boat #1: 1973  Wriedt Montara 23
  • Boat #2: 1978 Spectra 20 460/Berkley
  • Like
    Dislike
    Love
    HaHa
    Angry
    Surprise
    Sad
    Party
Also, I will kiss bare male ass in the middle of the Vegas Strip  . . .  I will post pics if I need to.  --  IRRebel 2013

"Go ahead Rivertard does it.  Take a video though."

"If you did it in a dodge it would have shifted perfectly ran a thousand miles per hour and got optimum fuel mileage!"  Nordie  2012

oldmxdog61u

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Biesmeyer 21 ft. cruiser a good first timer Jet Boat?
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2010, 02:50:30 PM »
I was looking around for a list of what to look out for when checking out a boat for purchase. Any ideas? Anything special to this model or engine?  (thanks for the floor damage idea). It has redone captains chairs and the wood was replaced in the back bench as well.
Thanks guys
  • Like
    Dislike
    Love
    HaHa
    Angry
    Surprise
    Sad
    Party
Any man whose errors take ten years to correct is quite a man.
J. Robert Oppenheimer

IRRebel

  • Karma: +16/-0
Re: Biesmeyer 21 ft. cruiser a good first timer Jet Boat?
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2010, 11:53:26 PM »
Not only are you making me miss my Bieser, now you're making me miss my 78 YZ125........Got a crank around for one perchance? Maybe I can put that pic back together...... :thumbup:

Bad ass bikes bro! Glasscutter will now ride you forever on the CZ deal tho.... :sly:

Ray
  • Like
    Dislike
    Love
    HaHa
    Angry
    Surprise
    Sad
    Party
"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways totally worn out shouting 'Holy Shit what a ride!"---Crewcheif22 AKA Keith

oldmxdog61u

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Biesmeyer 21 ft. cruiser a good first timer Jet Boat?
« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2010, 03:30:35 PM »
well-
went and looked at the beiser. Mechanically it looks well cared for, and the motor is indeed fresh. Overall mechanically (and electrically I climbed under the dash and prodded around the wiring loombs etc) the boat looks sound. Visibly the boat is pretty "used" looking. The gel coat is gone, thoroughly oxidized (owner says he has sanded it back three times already, original gel coat) and the front deck  rail is removed and the holes filled with sealer (you can still make out the old mounting places- not blended or painted over). The upholstory is all faded and stiff, and the rear engine cover deck is yellowed and cracking. The carpet is servicable.  Current owners says it isnt pretty but everything works and has been maintained. So If I hear and read  correctly elsewhere here a simple paint job will cost anywheres of $800 on up. Simple durable Upholstory another $800 (two captain chairs, rear bench and deck cover). So for my base of $3500 plus the makeover I would have about $5500 (incidentals). Is that really a good deal in your opinion? or shoudl I take my theoretical $5k and put iit down on something someone alse already has everythikng p[retty much "done"?  I know a boat is never done, as its like my race bikes (never fast enough, never enough suspecsion work, need that billet whatever...).
Help?

Also, anyone here know of a good boat for sale?
  • Like
    Dislike
    Love
    HaHa
    Angry
    Surprise
    Sad
    Party
Any man whose errors take ten years to correct is quite a man.
J. Robert Oppenheimer

OC2Vegas

  • Karma: +12/-0
  • Like
    Dislike
    Love
    HaHa
    Angry
    Surprise
    Sad
    Party
1979 Sanger Superjet
BBC, 12JG

GlassCutter

  • Karma: +31/-0
Re: Biesmeyer 21 ft. cruiser a good first timer Jet Boat?
« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2010, 04:41:32 PM »
I think you are underestimating the paint by half, not to mention the labor and time of pulling everything apart.  If it was me I would look elsewhere but I know many folks here would feel differently.    The Beezer name does carry a certain cachet but I don't know what that is worth to you.
Obviously any guy who parts with a CZ has questionable smarts.     :screwy:            Sorry I had to . . .    >:D
  • Boat #1: 1973  Wriedt Montara 23
  • Boat #2: 1978 Spectra 20 460/Berkley
  • Like
    Dislike
    Love
    HaHa
    Angry
    Surprise
    Sad
    Party
Also, I will kiss bare male ass in the middle of the Vegas Strip  . . .  I will post pics if I need to.  --  IRRebel 2013

"Go ahead Rivertard does it.  Take a video though."

"If you did it in a dodge it would have shifted perfectly ran a thousand miles per hour and got optimum fuel mileage!"  Nordie  2012

IRRebel

  • Karma: +16/-0
Re: Biesmeyer 21 ft. cruiser a good first timer Jet Boat?
« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2010, 05:56:21 PM »
Obviously any guy who parts with a CZ has questionable smarts.     :screwy:            Sorry I had to . . .    >:D

Told ya!  :screwy:

Yeah, it depends on whether you're sold on the boat and how well you like it. I agree you can do better, all a matter of time looking is all.

No matter what boat you buy, you're gonna wind up with more money in it than it's worth, so might as well get something YOU like.

I paid right around that for my old Beezer, probably in similar condition last year. And we all know what happened to THAT investment...... :banghead:

Ray
  • Like
    Dislike
    Love
    HaHa
    Angry
    Surprise
    Sad
    Party
"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways totally worn out shouting 'Holy Shit what a ride!"---Crewcheif22 AKA Keith

GlassCutter

  • Karma: +31/-0
Re: Biesmeyer 21 ft. cruiser a good first timer Jet Boat?
« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2010, 06:18:55 PM »
Ray I want you to know that I tried really really really really hard but . . .


Hey MxDog, he is a real nice guy who has too many boats.  I KNOW Ray would make you a smokin' deal on his Beezer .
  • Boat #1: 1973  Wriedt Montara 23
  • Boat #2: 1978 Spectra 20 460/Berkley
  • Like
    Dislike
    Love
    HaHa
    Angry
    Surprise
    Sad
    Party
Also, I will kiss bare male ass in the middle of the Vegas Strip  . . .  I will post pics if I need to.  --  IRRebel 2013

"Go ahead Rivertard does it.  Take a video though."

"If you did it in a dodge it would have shifted perfectly ran a thousand miles per hour and got optimum fuel mileage!"  Nordie  2012

IRRebel

  • Karma: +16/-0
Re: Biesmeyer 21 ft. cruiser a good first timer Jet Boat?
« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2010, 06:33:15 PM »
Ray I want you to know that I tried really really really really hard but . . .


Hey MxDog, he is a real nice guy who has too many boats.  I KNOW Ray would make you a smokin' deal on his Beezer .

YEAH! All streamlined up, all the unnecessaries removed, just needs a little drying off, might still include a hydraulic Place Diverter, one HOT boat, Turqouise metalflake on the bottom, flames on top,............. :screwy:

Ray

Good luck on your search, I'll keep an eye out for ya MXDog!  ;)
  • Like
    Dislike
    Love
    HaHa
    Angry
    Surprise
    Sad
    Party
"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways totally worn out shouting 'Holy Shit what a ride!"---Crewcheif22 AKA Keith

oldmxdog61u

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Biesmeyer 21 ft. cruiser a good first timer Jet Boat?
« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2010, 08:17:05 PM »
thanks! Looking at several options. 18-21ft, 454, 455, over/thru transom, etc etc.
  • Like
    Dislike
    Love
    HaHa
    Angry
    Surprise
    Sad
    Party
Any man whose errors take ten years to correct is quite a man.
J. Robert Oppenheimer

oldmxdog61u

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Biesmeyer 21 ft. cruiser a good first timer Jet Boat?
« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2010, 09:13:21 PM »
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/boa/1780707119.html

Nice!
Will see first thing in the morning!
Keep you posted. I may be seeing you on the river sooner than I thought...

regarding the  cz...
  • Like
    Dislike
    Love
    HaHa
    Angry
    Surprise
    Sad
    Party
Any man whose errors take ten years to correct is quite a man.
J. Robert Oppenheimer

GlassCutter

  • Karma: +31/-0
Re: Biesmeyer 21 ft. cruiser a good first timer Jet Boat?
« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2010, 09:38:51 PM »
LMFAO !!!        You posted that pic 25 minutes ago and I'm the first one to look at it.    That is classic Czech engineering there, right down to the rubber band return aid on the brakes.  Gotta luv it.    I so would have wanted to be in the room when the engineer tells the production manager, "Yeah we are gonna hold the petrol tank on with a leather belt"   :o         Thanks for posting.  :thumbup:
  • Boat #1: 1973  Wriedt Montara 23
  • Boat #2: 1978 Spectra 20 460/Berkley
  • Like
    Dislike
    Love
    HaHa
    Angry
    Surprise
    Sad
    Party
Also, I will kiss bare male ass in the middle of the Vegas Strip  . . .  I will post pics if I need to.  --  IRRebel 2013

"Go ahead Rivertard does it.  Take a video though."

"If you did it in a dodge it would have shifted perfectly ran a thousand miles per hour and got optimum fuel mileage!"  Nordie  2012

IRRebel

  • Karma: +16/-0
Re: Biesmeyer 21 ft. cruiser a good first timer Jet Boat?
« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2010, 09:47:45 PM »
LMFAO !!!        You posted that pic 25 minutes ago and I'm the first one to look at it.    That is classic Czech engineering there, right down to the rubber band return aid on the brakes.  Gotta luv it.    I so would have wanted to be in the room when the engineer tells the production manager, "Yeah we are gonna hold the petrol tank on with a leather belt"   :o         Thanks for posting.  :thumbup:

He's gonna tell me to STFU, but again, I warned ya!!! ;D

You're probably gonna be ridden about this as bad as Flytime is since  he sold his Jet Boat..........Just sayin'   ::)

BTW, did find a nice Charger, I own one I haven't seen yet, lol. Told only you and Flytime about it here locally.(Now everyone knows) Other than the engine, and price, could be a smokin boat! I imagine the guy could be talked down a LOT!!!

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/boa/1787427120.html
Ray
  • Like
    Dislike
    Love
    HaHa
    Angry
    Surprise
    Sad
    Party
"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways totally worn out shouting 'Holy Shit what a ride!"---Crewcheif22 AKA Keith

OC2Vegas

  • Karma: +12/-0
Re: Biesmeyer 21 ft. cruiser a good first timer Jet Boat?
« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2010, 09:58:15 PM »
Nice!
Will see first thing in the morning!
Keep you posted. I may be seeing you on the river sooner than I thought...


Cool, there are quite a few boats in the Phoenix area on craigs right now. You can get a lot for your budget! Beat the guy down as much as you can, and dont be afraid to walk away. Theres a lot out there!
  • Like
    Dislike
    Love
    HaHa
    Angry
    Surprise
    Sad
    Party
1979 Sanger Superjet
BBC, 12JG

 


Null

SMFPacks CMS 1.0.3 © 2026