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Discussion => Boat Showcase => Topic started by: 77_liberty on January 24, 2016, 06:14:55 PM
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So I'm not new to jet boats but I sold my old boat last weekend and picked this one up today. Pretty stoked on it and hopefully it'll be a good boat to me. I know liberty's are kinda far and few so if anyone's got more info on them and history or even a story id love to here it.
77 Liberty
Tomm Papp pump
BBF 521
Can't wait to get it in the water and burn some fuel.
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Nice boat! Have any info or specs on the engine?
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1977 Liberty 19' bored and stroked 521" BBF
1150 Holly
Trick Flow single plane
manifold.
Trick Flow Alm head built to motor.
Big Engle cam hyd
Roller rockers
Eagle H beam roads
Billet JE pistons
Billet Eagle crank
Full MSD ignition/distributer
Ceramic coated headers
Built Tom Papp pump
Bob Fry loader
Place diverter
2 stainless 15gal tanks
Clean trailer with new lights
Nice newer interior
All new Auto Meter gauges.
These are specs I got from previous owner.
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Good boats I have a 84 eliminator liberty fast good on shut dwn but they don't turn well at least mine don't nice ride tho there's s few libertys on this site
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I like it! I bet it runs frickin angry. Let us know how your first voyage goes.
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Good boats I have a 84 eliminator liberty fast good on shut dwn but they don't turn well at least mine don't nice ride tho there's s few libertys on this site
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Liberty boats aren't the same as the eliminator Liberty boats??...... Or am I mistaking. I've only seen 3 or so Liberty hulls.
I'll deff post some pictures and feed back on how she rides in the water probably next weekend I'll through it in for a bit and see how it goes.
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Eliminator bought out liberty from what I've been told I think in 1984 same boat
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Here's mine
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Yeah very similar. Makes sense.... What do you got for motor and how do you like it?
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Welcome to the site. I love libertys...have one myself with a BBF as well.
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Yeah very similar. Makes sense.... What do you got for motor and how do you like it?
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bbc good boats only complaint is turning wants to come around on you
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Welcome to the site. I love libertys...have one myself with a BBF as well.
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Thanks. Yea been on this site always reading post but finally decided I'd participate. Hopefully make it out to the scjb meets this summer.
I wanna pin stripe where the two colors come together anyone got a good guy?
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bbc good boats only complaint is turning wants to come around on you
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Mine turns great...need to keep the nose up though
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Mine turns great...need to keep the nose up though
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I was gonna say didn't these boats start as cycle racing boats?? Before eliminator
Your boat looks killer love the old school color scheme.
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Mine turns great...need to keep the nose up though
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👍👍
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I was gonna say didn't these boats start as cycle racing boats?? Before eliminator
Your boat looks killer love the old school color scheme.
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Its Liberty #5, first one they didn't cut up. Circle race boat from day 1.
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Its Liberty #5, first one they didn't cut up. Circle race boat from day 1.
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What was the reason for cutting them up??
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From what I was told its basically due to the fact they were mold corrections, then too heavy, then too light. The first boat they kept was to be for racing and once they were confident that it was good all the rest were copies.
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First trip out to the lake
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How did it go?
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Everything was good. Only bad got to the cove and thought the boat was gonna sink filling up with water. Well right before the cove I got on it hard and it blew the inlet house off going to the motor off the pump. But got it put back on. Only me and 3 other boats which I was with were in the cove so we made a few passes. Got a few videos nothing crazy. Try'd to upload but wouldn't work.
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Everything was good. Only bad got to the cove and thought the boat was gonna sink filling up with water. Well right before the cove I got on it hard and it blew the inlet house off going to the motor off the pump. But got it put back on. Only me and 3 other boats which I was with were in the cove so we made a few passes. Got a few videos nothing crazy. Try'd to upload but wouldn't work.
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Dude that have me flashbacks! The first season I had my 496 I blew that inlet line all the time, countless burns and almost sinking my boat later, I went to all AN lines and a regulator. That's good though, means your making some bowl pressure!
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Is is okay to have that much pressure going through the block. Yea she gets it from a dig planes out and lays flat real fast.
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Is is okay to have that much pressure going through the block. Yea she gets it from a dig planes out and lays flat real fast.
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Right on, no you don't want that much pressure going through the block actually. Can blow gaskets, water in the oil, etc. I ran mine like that and never had a problem but also had a hard time dialing in the temp. Now with a regulator I can dial the gate valves in and run whatever temp I want. Plus a lot safer with the pressure being limited. Some guys run a pressure gauge and stick to strict amounts of pressure, I didn't go that far
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K yea there's already a valve it was all the way open I closed it 2 1/2 turns but temps were still barely over 100 deg so next time I'll close it some more and go from there
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K yea there's already a valve it was all the way open I closed it 2 1/2 turns but temps were still barely over 100 deg so next time I'll close it some more and go from there
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The way I understand it the gate valves limit flow not pressure, so a regulator will solve that end of the problem and for me it made it a lot easier to dial mine to about the 150-160 range at both idle and cruise. I used a brass residential plumbing style unit
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The way I understand it the gate valves limit flow not pressure, so a regulator will solve that end of the problem and for me it made it a lot easier to dial mine to about the 150-160 range at both idle and cruise. I used a brass residential plumbing style unit
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Where do you put the regulator? Does anyone have a link to one?
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What heads you got on that ford monster? What cam?
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Trick flow heads idk cam just know its hydraulic roller.
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Did you get some videos?
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Are those heads aluminum?
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The way I understand it the gate valves limit flow not pressure, so a regulator will solve that end of the problem and for me it made it a lot easier to dial mine to about the 150-160 range at both idle and cruise. I used a brass residential plumbing style unit
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I'll have too look at mine tomorrow to see where we put mine. I believe it was before the gate valve but could be wrong. I'll send pics when I get to my shop
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Where do you put the regulator? Does anyone have a link to one?
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Here's where I put mine I went with a stainless valve.
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Are those heads aluminum?
Yes there aluminum heads. How do I post video I go in my photos but it'll only show my pictures.
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Yes there aluminum heads. How do I post video I go in my photos but it'll only show my pictures.
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put it on you tube copy and paste
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Can't figure it out but here's another photo of the lil man and me waiting for the trailer
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The way I understand it the gate valves limit flow not pressure, so a regulator will solve that end of the problem and for me it made it a lot easier to dial mine to about the 150-160 range at both idle and cruise. I used a brass residential plumbing style unit
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Just a simple question. Not a poke.
How in God's name can you limit flow without reducing pressure?
Physics 101.
This seems misguided.
GT
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Just a simple question. Not a poke.
How in God's name can you limit flow without reducing pressure?
Physics 101.
This seems misguided.
GT
I see you argue this point a lot on here as I've been searching for the answer. What's your opinion on this just turn the gate valve down a lil bit or something else. I closed it 2 1/2 turns and it didn't come off again but coulda been loose to begin with but still never seen over 125 deg
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Just a simple question. Not a poke.
How in God's name can you limit flow without reducing pressure?
Physics 101.
This seems misguided.
GT
I never took physics.
If your saying you don't need a regulator, that sounds misguided to me. Maybe the gate valve does reduce the pressure slightly as well but it's not a regulator. The gate valves are used to adjust temperature, the regulator adjusts the pressure. That's how I've been schooled, and for me at least I learned through experience i made too much bowl pressure to not have a regulator. Gate valves did not drop the pressure enough while keeping my engine at a reasonable operating range
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I see you argue this point a lot on here as I've been searching for the answer. What's your opinion on this just turn the gate valve down a lil bit or something else. I closed it 2 1/2 turns and it didn't come off again but coulda been loose to begin with but still never seen over 125 deg
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Flow is a derivative of pressure. No?
Less pressure, less flow, less flow, less pressure.
This assumes the outlets are unrestricted.
By installing a valve (I like 3/4" gate valves), if you reduce the flow into the engine, this reduces the pressure and increases the heat transfer from the engine into the water.
The proper procedure for adjusting the valve are simple.
First get the boat on the water and fire it up and allow to idle, while idling, slowly close the gate valve until you see some temperature rise. Try to get out to settle out at about 150°F.
Once stable, take it for a quick run, the temperature will likely drop, this would be normal. If it heats up, you need larger dump lines, really cold and they could be a bit smaller.
Typically an engine under 500 horsepower needs about a 7/16" outlet fitting inside diameter.
Anything over about 600 horse should have two dump lines at about 3/8" each.
The regulators really aren't necessary, they just make slop count the same as skill.
It's my opinion that people put way too much trust in them.
The way above has no moving parts, almost idiot proof. Almost.
And I don't argue, I educate with resistance. Lol
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I understand how going to multiple dump lines would drop the pressure by eliminating a bottleneck, but personally I'd rather stick with the regulator as it works great for me, sounds like just two differant opinions and ways of doing things to me. I don't think one is necessarily wrong and one right even if my "physics" education is wrong haha
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I understand how going to multiple dump lines would drop the pressure by eliminating a bottleneck, but personally I'd rather stick with the regulator as it works great for me, sounds like just two differant opinions and ways of doing things to me. I don't think one is necessarily wrong and one right even if my "physics" education is wrong haha
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The entire point being, if your not making the horsepower, dual dump lines would keep the engine too cold.
Your pressure relief valve literally just keeps the WOT pressure in check, that's it.
What controls the temperature?
This is where the valve comes in and really shines. It does both jobs quite effectivelyand for very little financial out put and no moving parts.
Not bashing you at all and yes, I agree, different trains of thought.
GT
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The entire point being, if your not making the horsepower, dual dump lines would keep the engine too cold.
Your pressure relief valve literally just keeps the WOT pressure in check, that's it.
What controls the temperature?
This is where the valve comes in and really shines. It does both jobs quite effectivelyand for very little financial out put and no moving parts.
Not bashing you at all and yes, I agree, different trains of thought.
GT
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No worries, I'm not getting offended or anything. I know the only thing the regulator does is keep the peak pressure in check, but that's vital to me. I run aprox 700-750hp and it makes a lot of pressure. I would rather keep that pressure in the bowl where it belongs than dump any more water through my engine than necessary as well. I would also be worried that with multiple dump lines that I wouldn't keep any engine temp personally. I know a lot of people that run my same setup and also works well for them
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Great insight on temp control and regulation. I've always relied on the 3/4" gate valves too; even on a 650 hp twin turbo setup it worked fine. Seems like this situation could've been solved with a tighter hose clamp and a few turns of the valve 🤓.
GT you are like the jet boat encyclopedia. Appreciate your contribution on all of these threads. Bcouey, now you have me considering something new with the regulator theory.. It would be a difficult measure to see if it adds performance or longevity to the motor tho.
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Did you get some videos?
http://youtu.be/bGpflLyiNg8
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Nice bud! You happy with how it runs? Sounds good.
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Nice bud! You happy with how it runs? Sounds good.
Yeah deff runs good I have a droop Ima put on see if that'll do anything but overall snappy and deff quick. Next time I go out I'll gps it.
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We must off passed each other just left the launch!! Nice day it was!!
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We must off passed each other just left the launch!! Nice day it was!!
This video was from last trip out just now got it up on YouTube. I wanted to go today but no one to help me launch and boy wanted to go to the skatepark. Next weekend.
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So I put a droop on never checked speed before droop and never dialed in the diverter but just a quick phone check told me 77mph in the middle of Elsinore me my dad and the boy. . I'd like to be faster but we'll get there. Anyone think high 80s close to 90 is unrealistic with my hull without a bottle😜 I'm turning 6,000rpms I'm sure I can squeeze a bit more by myself and trimming the diverter.
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So I put a droop on never checked speed before droop and never dialed in the diverter but just a quick phone check told me 77mph in the middle of Elsinore me my dad and the boy. . I'd like to be faster but we'll get there. Anyone think high 80s close to 90 is unrealistic with my hull without a bottle😜 I'm turning 6,000rpms I'm sure I can squeeze a bit more by myself and trimming the diverter.
With the people on the boat, unless you're all wearing Lifelines, yes.
6,000 rpm? What impeller does that thing have in it? I would have thought low 80's.
Where does the water break? How was it riding?
Where is your ride plate set?
She should be feeling pretty free, almost "flighty".
I feel something is a tad "off".
JMO
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Well that didn't work, I have a video of it running at Elsinore from Sunday but I can't get it to upload
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With the people on the boat, unless you're all wearing Lifelines, yes.
6,000 rpm? What impeller does that thing have in it? I would have thought low 80's.
Where does the water break? How was it riding?
Where is your ride plate set?
She should be feeling pretty free, almost "flighty".
I feel something is a tad "off".
JMO
GT
Idk what impeller is in it wanna say AB cut but I'm no expert on pumps as far as ride plate I don't have one at this time that may help me out . Has loader, impeller,bowl detail work nothing professional but it looks affective, droop and place diverter.
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http://youtu.be/FDjvKNjb6Bo
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This is me alone idk what the speed was only checked on my way to the dock
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http://youtu.be/FDjvKNjb6Bo
Yea that's the one haha
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Yea that's the one haha
My dad sent me that. It was good meeting you guys hope do link up again.
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I have a similar boat I've gps mine at 85 mph I run a c. Cutt bronze impeller@ 5900 rpm with some decent pump work maybe this we'll help give you an idea
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http://youtu.be/cYw0ytDH1_I
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http://youtu.be/cYw0ytDH1_I
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your float jams bro... i was wondering why you haven't posted that vid!! Seeing it in person seemed faster!!
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My sending unit on my fuel tank is leaking what's the best fix another gasket or some type of rtv glue. Hopefully I don't have to pull the tank cause I don't think it'll come out without the seats and stuff coming out 15gal tanks shoved under this thing
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My sending unit on my fuel tank is leaking what's the best fix another gasket or some type of rtv glue. Hopefully I don't have to pull the tank cause I don't think it'll come out without the seats and stuff coming out 15gal tanks shoved under this thing
New gasket and Gasoila.
GT
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Isn't that thread sealant??
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Now I have what looks like a cork gasket do I need a rubber or same one?
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Now I have what looks like a cork gasket do I need a rubber or same one?
Cork or EPDM gasket.
Also, auto correct killed me.
Gasola, it's now this crap.
It works awesome, didn't realize Loctite bought them.
GT
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It's now...? I'm confused I can't find anything but the thread seal. Also found that tank to be full and other half empty after last time out I think it may be from my dad sitting on one side while parked but idk. The two tanks are linked to one fuel line sucks outta both tanks equal and one sending unit for gauge.
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It's now...? I'm confused I can't find anything but the thread seal. Also found that tank to be full and other half empty after last time out I think it may be from my dad sitting on one side while parked but idk. The two tanks are linked to one fuel line sucks outta both tanks equal and one sending unit for gauge.
That seldom works. We ran a marathon boat with three tanks, a shut off valve on each tank was absolutely necessary.
Here's the goo I was talking about.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B007VIGCJW/ref=pd_aw_fbt_263_img_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=07HEBPVM7W2GZK7HYWM4
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Perfect so think I deff need to separated my tanks I kinda liked the fact of the one sending unit and sucking outta both tanks so it's half but if it's not gonna work I'll do valve
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Perfect so think I deff need to separated my tanks I kinda liked the fact of the one sending unit and sucking outta both tanks so it's half but if it's not gonna work I'll do valve
Does the second tank have a sender?
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No one sending unit for fuel gauge. Fuel line off each tank and then to a T one line into the filter/separator then pump then filter then carb. The T is about top of tank height lines dip down to the T and after T loop into separator. Lines come off the top of the tanks
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No one sending unit for fuel gauge. Fuel line off each tank and then to a T one line into the filter/separator then pump then filter then carb. The T is about top of tank height lines dip down to the T and after T loop into separator. Lines come off the top of the tanks
Don't take this the wrong way, but this is silly.
I would put a valve on each side of the tee. Virtually call it good.
What would it take to install a sender in the other tank?
GT
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K. Is there a way to run it with one sender and suck outta both at once or is that not heard of? Thought that's how they used to all be but may be wrong.
To install another sending unit id have to pull seats and tank and probably drill it out and figure out screws and wire it in to a two way switch on one gauge or something.
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So my seats look nice and are in great condition but I noticed the wood under isn't in the best condition. Thinking bout going to fiberglass buckets and a fiberglass bench. How much weight you think I'll save. Being at low 80mph I think losing some weight would help big time, and since I may be redoing my seats in the near future thought it may be a good thing to think about. How do you guys like your buckets and bench? Also how do you guys mount them in?
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K. Is there a way to run it with one sender and suck outta both at once or is that not heard of? Thought that's how they used to all be but may be wrong.
To install another sending unit id have to pull seats and tank and probably drill it out and figure out screws and wire it in to a two way switch on one gauge or something.
I'm no expert but I really like the set up in my boat. I have an electric fuel tank selector valve out of a GM dually truck (with dual tanks), wired to a Double Pole Double Throw Switch on the dash. each tank plumbs to the valve (as well as the return for me as I am fuel injected), then to the separator then the pump, then to the fuel rail. Now since I have a sending unit in each tank, both units are wired to the valve as well and then a single line up to the dash. The gauge shows the level on whichever tank Im running. Now if you don't want to add another sending unit, you can run the tank that doesn't have the sending unit first, when it runs out of gas, switch the tank and now you know how much gas is left. If interested I can track down part numbers and diagrams.
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Lil update after the last trip of the season I threw a rocker off the valve did Lil damage. But knowing me I always go the safe route so Bostick picked my motor up from my house( big thanks and great service as I was leaving outta town for work the next day) and we're doing quite a bit of work to her to make her better. Hope to put this v hull in the 90s by next season. Also not boat related but build my side yard gates to get this thing outta my garage and my trailer at my house.....still gotta put wood up but the hard parts done.
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Lil update after the last trip of the season I threw a rocker off the valve did Lil damage. But knowing me I always go the safe route so Bostick picked my motor up from my house( big thanks and great service as I was leaving outta town for work the next day) and we're doing quite a bit of work to her to make her better. Hope to put this v hull in the 90s by next season. Also not boat related but build my side yard gates to get this thing outta my garage and my trailer at my house.....still gotta put wood up but the hard parts done.
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That sucks dude! Glad to hear it was pretty minor.
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Minor turned into a big deal cause we'll you know go big or don't go at all. A lotta work bring down hopefully better then ever tho
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Minor turned into a big deal cause we'll you know go big or don't go at all. A lotta work bring down hopefully better then ever tho
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A big deal? Bostick found some issues?
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Just going through the whole motor changing compression roller cam porting heads and dominator carb. Then tune and Dino. Hopefully gain some mph and reliability. Hopefully put a nitrous setup in the next year or so on it.
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Just going through the whole motor changing compression roller cam porting heads and dominator carb. Then tune and Dino. Hopefully gain some mph and reliability. Hopefully put a nitrous setup in the next year or so on it.
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Nice! Sounds like it is going to be a badass mofo
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Its Liberty #5, first one they didn't cut up. Circle race boat from day 1.
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Its Liberty #5, first one they didn't cut up. Circle race boat from day 1.
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I don't want to burst your bubble here but I have a '77 Liberty that I picked up a few years ago. The serial # is as follows.. 0176 0002 As you can see the build date states it was built January 1976 #2 off the line. Mine originally had a BBC but I got it as a hull, pump, trailer combo. The hull had been blue printed and speedcoated but I don't know anything else about it. Original gel coat and pink pin stripes still. It's now got a BBF. You are the first that I have heard of that also has a low serial numbered boat. Congrats.
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I don't want to burst your bubble here but I have a '77 Liberty that I picked up a few years ago. The serial # is as follows.. 0176 0002 As you can see the build date states it was built January 1976 #2 off the line. Mine originally had a BBC but I got it as a hull, pump, trailer combo. The hull had been blue printed and speedcoated but I don't know anything else about it. Original gel coat and pink pin stripes still. It's now got a BBF. You are the first that I have heard of that also has a low serial numbered boat. Congrats.
Mine did not have any numbers on the hull, I bought it from the builders brother in law. It was their factory race boat. I got the story directly from him on the previous boats.
Sounds like you have one of the first "production boats" after they finished tinkering with the design... great find having boat 002.
I loved mine they are awesome boats
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My serial numbers are way diff my hull is a 1977 and the 77 are the last two numbers??
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