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78hallettbbc

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Berkeley pump
« on: July 21, 2015, 11:07:01 PM »
Does anyone have a Berkeley 12JG or 12JR for sale? Preferably not one that I have to sell my left nut for. PM me if you have one.
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Re: Berkeley pump
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2015, 11:39:03 PM »
You not the only one looking for a 12jg everyone  I have found 700-1000 bucks my boat will sit on the trailer for the rest of the season if I can't find one for under 400-500 bucks
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Re: Berkeley pump
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2015, 06:03:17 AM »
You not the only one looking for a 12jg everyone  I have found 700-1000 bucks my boat will sit on the trailer for the rest of the season if I can't find one for under 400-500 bucks

Well I have a pair of IMCO gunal tanks that maybe someone will trade. I just need a pump that can handle some HP. Like over 750 hp off the bottle.
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Re: Berkeley pump
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2015, 06:50:09 AM »
Does anyone have a Berkeley 12JG or 12JR for sale? Preferably not one that I have to sell my left nut for. PM me if you have one.

What is your price range?

You are going to be better off building what you want so you know what's in it.

For a built, ready to run pump. My gut tells me you will be in the $2k range pretty easily.

Just the shaft, bearings, wear ring and a quality impeller are going to cost you that.

I had near twice that in my race pump.

GT
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Re: Berkeley pump
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2015, 10:39:33 AM »
What is your price range?

You are going to be better off building what you want so you know what's in it.

For a built, ready to run pump. My gut tells me you will be in the $2k range pretty easily.

Just the shaft, bearings, wear ring and a quality impeller are going to cost you that.

I had near twice that in my race pump.

GT

X2. You'll need quality parts and build, especially if you're looking at that kind of HP.  The HP will do you no good if you can't flow the water efficiently.

Owning a boat cost $$, left nuts, souls, fisrt borns ...   ;D
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Re: Berkeley pump
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2015, 01:04:57 PM »
Owning a boat cost $$, left nuts, souls, fisrt borns ...   ;D

Sanity, marriages, parking spaces. ...


Hee hee


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Re: Berkeley pump
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2015, 05:13:47 PM »
Got a price today. To just upgrade my JC that already has a hardened shaft and and a bronze or titanium impeller is 6500.
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Re: Berkeley pump
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2015, 05:37:06 PM »
Got a price today. To just upgrade my JC that already has a hardened shaft and and a bronze or titanium impeller is 6500.

What?

Sounds like someone supporting a serious Crack addiction.

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« Last Edit: July 22, 2015, 07:12:51 PM by GT Jets »
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Re: Berkeley pump
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2015, 05:46:58 PM »
Well that is from a member on here that builds them I guess.
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Re: Berkeley pump
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2015, 05:49:49 PM »

Well that is from a member on here that builds them I guess.
. Call Chris at B 1 racing.


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Re: Berkeley pump
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2015, 05:54:57 PM »
It was to mill the intake for shoe and ride plate . pull  his intake  and reinstall the intake. set his pump back and and blend the bottom   And add a split bowl


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Re: Berkeley pump
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2015, 05:55:45 PM »
Oh and blue print his pump and balance it


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Re: Berkeley pump
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2015, 06:25:20 PM »
Well before everything gets blown out of wack as it does on most sites lets list out what 6500 goes towards.

1) removal of old intake

2) floor fill in to accommodate a new set back pump position.

3) purchase of a milled H-2155 inatke

4) installation of new inatke

5) shoe

6) Ride plate

7) cradle

8) transom plates

9) Mill current hardin shaft for inducer 

10) Purchase of inducer

11) Soft seal kit

12) Thrust bearing

13) purchase of 12JG split bowl

14) Purchase of Hydraulic fine tune race diverter with hi flow hydraulic pump ( 1.8 sec instead of 4 seconds )

15) pump assembly

16) installation of pump

17) installation of transom plates

Now I don't know about ya'll but thats a lot of parts & work for $6,500 out the door  ;)
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Re: Berkeley pump
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2015, 06:46:50 PM »
                                                                                                                   I WANNA GO FAST!!
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78hallettbbc

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Re: Berkeley pump
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2015, 06:56:05 PM »
How about we just end this thread. 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
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Re: Berkeley pump
« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2015, 06:56:52 PM »

Well before everything gets blown out of wack as it does on most sites lets list out what 6500 goes towards.

1) removal of old intake

2) floor fill in to accommodate a new set back pump position.

3) purchase of a milled H-2155 inatke

4) installation of new inatke

5) shoe

6) Ride plate

7) cradle

8) transom plates

9) Mill current hardin shaft for inducer 

10) Purchase of inducer

11) Soft seal kit

12) Thrust bearing

13) purchase of 12JG split bowl

14) Purchase of Hydraulic fine tune race diverter with hi flow hydraulic pump ( 1.8 sec instead of 4 seconds )

15) pump assembly

16) installation of pump

17) installation of transom plates

Now I don't know about ya'll but thats a lot of parts & work for $6,500 out the door  ;)
.  What hull is this work taking place in?  What impeller will be used?  Last but most importantly what shop and what's there resume look like for go fast boats.


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Re: Berkeley pump
« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2015, 07:27:41 PM »
For all that work it's definitely in the ballpark. I just dropped some $g's on my JG for all of that minus the set back (it's already set back) and adding a droop snoot. Going out for powdercoat  this week. It's a lot of work to do the pumps up right but when you want to transfer all those HP's to the water efficiency is key. Also learned the pump should be built according to the peak power rpm of your motor...


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Re: Berkeley pump
« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2015, 09:05:13 PM »
Does anyone have a Berkeley 12JG or 12JR for sale? Preferably not one that I have to sell my left nut for. PM me if you have one.

Got a price today. To just upgrade my JC that already has a hardened shaft and and a bronze or titanium impeller is 6500.

Umm, so what are left nuts going for these days?  :o

That is a lot of work that you were quoted for. Maybe do the major work (setback) this season and go from there one chunk at a time …  ???

We feel your pain. Good luck.
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Re: Berkeley pump
« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2015, 09:24:41 PM »
Umm, so what are left nuts going for these days?  :o

That is a lot of work that you were quoted for. Maybe do the major work (setback) this season and go from there one chunk at a time …  ???

We feel your pain. Good luck.

I am not bitching about the price. There is no difference from me buying a brand new 12JR for $6600 and have it show up in a box then still have to pay someone to install it. I do think I am getting a lot of work, custom work at that plus labor and the total is actually 5500 because I already have the hardened shaft and impeller.  The only problem I have right now is convincing the wife to let me spend another 5500 after spending a couple grand more for the motor.  If I can't get her to buy into it I have a mild 496 ok. It mild still kinda wild but my pump as is will handle the 550 to 600hp and then this winter have the pump built.
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Re: Berkeley pump
« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2015, 10:00:17 PM »
While reading this makes me feel blessed I don't have to do as much work but I got intake at JG pump with the droop and an inducer for 850 and then installation with some other work to the hull was like another 900


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Re: Berkeley pump
« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2015, 10:30:43 PM »
While reading this makes me feel blessed I don't have to do as much work but I got intake at JG pump with the droop and an inducer for 850 and then installation with some other work to the hull was like another 900


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Quick story.

Way back when, I was young,  broke,  working hard and the racing bug bit me for the fourth time.

Me and two friends wanted to get involved in the world of white water marathon racing.  Piece of cake right?

We had a good friend that owned Challenger Marine in Oregon.  He offered to sell us his previous year race tunnel for a great price. I built a pump and a small block Chevy (cubic inch limit) and we were a team. Well sort of.

The pump I built had pretty much all the best parts of the day.  Keep in mind it was 1991.

For a thrown together pile a parts, we actually did fairly well. We weren't the fastest boat by a long shot, but we didn't break. Through attrition, we finished in the top three.

The following year, we sucked up a rock the size of a tennis ball at speed while testing. It blew a hole large enough to get my hand in in the bowl.

I had a spare, but very stock pump in my truck. Burning some midnight oil, calling in some favors and a little luck, we had a boat again. You have to keep in mind that I borrowed $200 from my dad for gas money.

We started the race and the boat actually worked a little better than before. We ended up getting to the fourth leg when we crashed out,  our first DNF because of damage I didn't catch from the day before.

The point?

Sometimes you can build the holy grail of pumps,  install every whiz bang part there is and a stock pump will work just as well, maybe even better.

Make sure to speak with someone in the know before throwing good money at bad.

I like the above approach of one step at a time. It will show improvements and give an idea of what works and what don't, all while being reversible.


What hull are you dealing with?

Do you know of one that has a set back pump?  Does it work?

What does the hull weigh?

What do you plan to do with it?

Do you expect it to be able to cruise at 35mph?

How many seats?

Where does the engine make its horsepower?

What has been done to the hull?

Where are you installing the engine?


There are dozens more questions that help paint the picture. You get the idea.

By the way, that small block spun an aluminum Berkeley BC impeller at nearly 6k. That engine is sitting on my garage floor. I can't bring myself to part with it.

Have fun, keep your expectations in check and research what you want to do, before you do it.

GT


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Re: Berkeley pump
« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2015, 10:55:51 PM »
amen to that.....too...

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Re: Berkeley pump
« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2015, 07:08:31 AM »
If you're really secure in your marriage you can always ask for forgiveness instead of permission. I've finished many a project that way 😳.


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Re: Berkeley pump
« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2015, 07:15:04 AM »
Great story GT, and advice. Building our boats is really a big part of the enjoyment of owning them-when all's said and done it really sets the tone for when you use it.


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Re: Berkeley pump
« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2015, 07:16:59 AM »
If you're really secure in your marriage you can always ask for forgiveness instead of permission. I've finished many a project that way 😳.


Steve-O

Lol.

Been married a long time,  going on 24 years. This worked for fifteen of them.

After that it seems to lose it effectiveness......


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